This Scientist claims the Apollo mission brought back "Metals" from the Moon that are not natural, made by advanced machines and structures on Mars and the Moon are possibly 50,000 years old -- from us, from a time in our past.
Gregg Braden is a five-time New York Times best-selling author & scientist. On the Joe Rogan Podcast, he discussed strange things in space, focusing on the "Face on Mars" and other geometric structures found in NASA's images.
Braden recounts how Richard Hoagland's talk about these structures influenced his career. Early grainy images of Mars showed what looked like a face, which was fascinating.
Later images seemed less convincing, but Braden points out that the geometric base, especially things like squares and right angles, are unlikely to be formed by natural erosion. He explains that nature rarely makes 90-degree angles, so their presence suggests intentional construction.
They discuss how NASA was forced to release lunar images due to the Freedom of Information laws. However, many of these images were pixelated and blurred, which Braden believes made the mysterious structures even more obvious. He claims some structures on the moon and Mars have shapes like pyramids with three, four, or five sides.
Braden describes the Viking probes that landed on Mars in the 1970s. These spacecraft were looking for small signs of life, like microbes, near gigantic geometric monuments.
He says some scientists estimate these monuments are around 50,000 years old. Joe asks how this dating was done, and Braden replies that it's mostly relative dating with geological strata, but he hesitates and admits the details are complicated.
Braden says only the USA and the Soviet Union previously had the resources to go to the moon, but now India and China are sending probes. He's especially interested in China's promise to televise live what they find, which could show architectural structures and inscriptions.
Braden believes these inscriptions will be in languages we recognize, which would be significant evidence. In the podcast, he specifically states that the evidence suggests the structures on Mars and the Moon are from us, meaning a past human civilization, not extraterrestrials. He argues that these are remnants of a previous advanced cycle of humanity, where people worked together and then destroyed each other through war, and that we're repeating these cycles today.
Former NASA astronaut Al Worden once said on the British TV show Good Morning Britain, "We are the aliens... who came from somewhere else... if you don't believe me, go read about the Ancient Sumerians." He passed away in 2020.
Al Worden was the Apollo 15 command module pilot who flew to the Moon in July 1971. He is remembered as "the most isolated man" in history since, at times, his fellow astronauts were more than 3,600 kilometers (2,235 miles) away from him on the lunar surface.
Al Worden believed that we are not alone in the universe. He said there is no doubt that other forms of life exist out there.
During his visit to radio host Ray D'Arcy's show in 2014, Worden spoke about spending three days alone in space during his 1971 mission. The experience gave him time to think deeply about life and the universe.
He said, "You see the universe out there and all the stars, and you think and research about those stars. Then you realize how many are out there. In our Milky Way Galaxy alone, there are 400 billion stars, and there are another 200 billion galaxies beyond it. You start to think, 'Out there, there's got to be someone.'" When asked why we have not yet been contacted by aliens, he joked, "Why would they want to? They already know enough about us not to." He added that humans are making a mess of things on Earth.
Later, during another interview on Good Morning Britain, he explained his new thoughts on alien life. He said very clearly that humans themselves are the ancient aliens who came to Earth long ago.
When asked again if extraterrestrials exist somewhere out there, Worden replied, "I've been asked that question hundreds of times -- 'Do you believe in aliens?' -- and my answer is yes."
In 2017, he returned to the same topic during another British TV interview. When asked why humans spend huge amounts of money on space missions while there are so many problems on Earth, his response surprised the host and the viewers. He said aliens are real and that they had come to Earth in ancient times, creating our civilization. He added that anyone could find proof of this by reading the writings of the ancient Sumerians.
Worden believed deeply in ancient Sumerian texts. Those ancient writings told stories of humans and gods living together, with humans serving the gods. Each Sumerian city was said to have its own protective deity.
The earliest known record of a Sumerian creation story was found on a tablet discovered in 1893 in the city of Nippur, an ancient Sumerian site in Mesopotamia.
According to those cuneiform tablets, Earth was first ruled by gods who looked like humans. When they arrived, they made Earth suitable for life by farming, digging, and mining its minerals. The texts even mention a rebellion between the gods and their workers. One translated line reads that when the gods worked like men, they suffered under the heavy labor and great distress.
It is said that before humans were created, a group of deities known as the Anunnaki had used younger gods called the Igigi as workers. These Igigi were forced to dig for gold and perform other hard tasks on Earth. When they eventually rebelled, humans were created to take their place.
For people in ancient Mesopotamia, heaven was described as having three layers. The lowest layer was the home of the stars, the middle layer was where the younger gods, the Igigi, lived, and the highest layer belonged to An, the sky god.
Other researchers have also made surprising claims connected to these ideas. Dr. Ken Johnston, a former aerospace engineer, said that NASA already knows astronauts discovered ancient alien structures and remains of advanced machinery on the Moon. He claimed some of these technologies had the power to control gravity.
Dr. Ralph Kennedy Johnston Sr., often known as Ken Johnston, was born in 1942 at Fort Sam Houston, Texas. He worked as one of four Civilian Astronaut Consultant Pilots at NASA and helped train Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, and Michael Collins for the Apollo 11 mission to the Moon.
Johnston is also a retired U.S. Marine and has become known as a "NASA whistleblower," though he rejects the name. He said he only wanted to share information that the public deserved to know.
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In addition, some people connect his claims with stories told by Ingo Swann, a well-known remote viewer, who said he psychically saw strange structures on the Moon. Swann described domes, tall towers, cross-shaped buildings, long tunnels, and signs of mining activity. He thought that either someone or something had secretly built these bases on the Moon.
Swann also said he saw human-like figures on the Moon digging into a cliff. The strange part, he added, was that they all appeared completely naked.
During this remote-viewing experiment, a man named Axelrod supervised Swann. Suddenly, Axelrod stopped the session and seemed alarmed, explaining that the beings on the Moon might have become aware they were being watched, which could be dangerous.
After that, Axelrod asked Swann if he knew a man named George Leonard. Swann said no. Around that same time, Leonard was writing a book titled Somebody Else Is on the Moon.
That book, published in 1977, described reports of mysterious, unnatural structures on the Moon -- the very kind of things Axelrod seemed to worry about. Leonard's work suggested that these lunar structures could not have been formed naturally and looked as though someone had built them.
Over time, Swann and Axelrod met secretly to discuss more of these strange observations. These secret meetings, which Swann later compared to scenes from a spy movie, suddenly ended in 1977 without explanation. Swann was left confused about the truth.
He wondered if his psychic vision had detected an extraterrestrial base built long ago. Yet because the people he saw looked completely human, he also considered the idea that it could have been a hidden Earth-based project. He thought maybe Axelrod wanted him to discover something without revealing the government's involvement.
Despite decades passing, the mystery is still unresolved. The strange lunar structures described by Leonard, Swann, and Johnston continue to raise questions about whether the Moon hides evidence of advanced civilizations.
The idea that aliens might be secretly using the Moon reminds many of similar theories claiming aliens could be operating on Earth itself. Some people think those "ancient visitors" who might have built advanced cities or shared secret technology could have played a role in shaping human evolution and culture.
Al Worden's comments about humans being the real aliens connect strangely well with these later stories. If humans came from somewhere else long ago, as he suggested, it might explain why ancient cultures around the world have myths about gods descending from the sky, teaching knowledge, and building great cities before disappearing.
Worden, unlike most astronauts, remained open to such possibilities until his last years. He said exploring space was not just about science but also about finding the truth of where we came from. Many found his words mysterious, but others thought he raised an interesting point -- that our search for life beyond Earth might end with us discovering our own distant origin among the stars.